How are you so sure these animals don’t take note of who visits them? Are you questioning this animals level of intelligence? Not that i think they can remember visitors but we don’t know if they truly can or can’t.
You do realize this is an animal who is not human, correct? No one cares if you
Will get bored if someone were to visit you for the passed 40 years. That’s you and not the animal.
We humans see 40+ people on a regular basis yet we remember some of them. It’s not a Stare and oops there automatically stuck in the brain, but it’s the things they do that causes us to remember them. Like say that a bunch of crazy people started dancing in the middle of the street one day, that’s not something your going to forget, even so once you hear the word “flash mob you’ll remember that day. Unless you suffer amnesia. Or even the people you see on a regular basis but you don’t interact with them. Like that one guy sitting outside the coffee shop with a cigarette every morning before you go for a run. A day when he decides to sit inside the shop, you’ll notice he’s gone.
Is it not safe to say that if a group of people starting dancing at the UV window, corky won’t remember that when she sees another person come along and mirror that same dancing motion? Is it not safe to say that Corky remembers that one park regular who she sees every morning at UV? Not that I’m pushing that these are true, but we don’t know.
Who are you to say she doesn’t care? Did you sit there with her and have a conversation? No, so don’t mislead people to think Corky wouldn’t care about humans. Not that I’m saying she does, but you don’t know, and it’s false for you to say she wouldn’t.
Now imagine if someone who visits SWC every morning for the past 5 years (it sounds crazy but people actually do visit this often) joined tumblr. This person testified to say “every morning Corky is in the UV pool, when she gets up I wave, and she nods her head back to me”. Is that to say Corky doesn’t remember them just because she sees 39+ other people those days? Would we say she doesn’t know you because she sees multiple other people? Are pro caps the ones really underestimating their intelligence on this website?
Furthermore, why do most (not all) anti caps say captive orcas would love seapens? And hate pools? Do they actually know if the animal truly does?
When deciding release projects why don’t they ever consult with the facilities that hold these animals captive? Obviously facilities won’t care for them as they don’t want to release them. But I’m trying to get to the point, why is it okay to make these projects without putting the individual animal first? Without seeing if a sea pen is feasible for that animal? If they will live well?
Captivity is no place for orcas? But why do we think a Sea Pen can be a place for captive orcas? Look at it from the animals perspective not because they are released from captivity and because natural this and that. That’s humans want not the animals.
My point is why do we say they hate captivity and would love to be free, when we don’t consider the animal. Why is it okay to say that, but for a pro cap not to feel happy that they interacted with an orca, for them to say the orca liked interacting?
Anthropomorphism. Pro Caps do it and so do Anti Caps. It leads to negligence of the animals. We say they feel a way and they would love this and hate that. Improve this and improve that. When really it’s not what the animals want but what we want.
Except the worst part is, instead of listening to the people who are qualified to interpret these animals behavior, who work with these animals, we choose to disregard what they say as stupid and they know nothing about orcas.
Yup ignorance and anthropomorphism. It kills this debate piece by piece.
In response to a post made earlier.
Prue uses her little tiny paws like hands and it’s the cutest thing and I just love it so much.
Sometimes I look over and Awesome’s just breathing really heavy and just barely touching me and it’s so uncomfortable.
Why is he so weird?
Is anyone else really weirded out when it seems like someone stalks your blog but doesn’t actually follow you? Like why am I worth that much of your time?
I really hate that I do almost all my blogging from an iPad. Themes always load so funky on it so I never get to really see them.
I really am so stressed out about our finances right now. Like if we could just catch up this month, we’d be fine because my fiancé will be working. We were always just under okay (like literally a couple hundred bucks and we’d be fine), so we should be good now if only I could catch up. So basically I really want my tax money to come and, unlike with most other things, there’s not anything you can do to speed that along or even like check on what’s going on and that’s really frustrating.
It just sucks that I really am working my ass off (40 hours a week and I’d work overtime if my boss would let me) at a job I hate, with hours I hate and it’s just not enough. Why is this all so difficult?
People who use lots of condescending remarks to mask the fact that they aren’t saying anything at all.
Even better when their remarks make it seem like you didn’t say anything. xD
I had someone say to me how do we know orcas are highly emotional beings? I couldn’t answer very scientifically i was like because i know…does anyone have good evidence to support this?
We don’t know for sure how their emotions process, but their brains have apart that ours don’t have (I’m not sure what it is) that leads us to believe that their emotionality is more advanced than ours. As well, I’m sure you could assume due to their tight family bonds.
We don’t actually know for sure that they have a part of the brain that we don’t. That has been determined from tests done on one orca, which I’m sure we all know is too small a sample to actually say anything about the true population. We would need a far larger sample of many orcas and preferably from the different populations in order to actually draw any conclusions like that.
Work has been so lovely for the past week but it’s going back to normal tomorrow and I’m so sad.
I have a secret and it’s making me crazy not to tell the person involved. And it’s really just a small thing but I keep going to mention casual things about it and stopping mid word.
Secrets are not my strength and even more than that is I have an honest complex so like I always want to just say everything so that the person knows and I don’t feel like I’m holding back.
I love this idea anticaps are perpetuating that no orca could possibly recognize a person that visits them often. Like orcas are supposed to be so smart, yet you guys believe they aren’t capable of simple recognition? I actually don’t think I visit often enough for any of the Orlando orcas to recognize me, but I’m sure they do recognize some people besides trainers. People that visit several times a week or people that work in close proximity to them often (like Tilly’s security guards or the educators).
And I just think it’s really stupid to believe that they aren’t at all capable of recognizing anyone, if you also believe that they are really intelligent.
Also I saw this argument about how no anticaps believe they have a special bond with any cetaceans only procaps do that because OMG THEY ARE SO STUPID and I laughed for like twenty years because I know of at least two anticaps who talk about their special bonds with captive cetaceans, one who believes he has a bond with certain orcas, and one who believes she has a bond with certain dolphins. And I’m not name dropping because it’s smacks of bullying to me. But it is definitely a thing that anticaps are capable of thinking too.
I didn’t say they couldn’t recognize anybody, I said they didn’t give a fuck. You think after decades in a tank Kasatka’s still getting a thrill about some crazy bitch shaking a stuffed animal at her? Would you? Hunter Thompson had this quote about ‘old whores not doing much giggling,’ meaning what for you might be an exciting day of novel experiences at the glamorous SeaWorld theme park, that is that whale’s life. They’ve seen thousands of people press their greedy little faces against that glass and squeal when they swim by, they’d blend together after so many years.
Exact quote with what you said: “Truth. How many silly bitches do they think Corky sees in a day, x40 years? She is not memorizing these faces, dude”
So you did say they didn’t recognize anybody. Not to mention I spoke specifically about not just people at the glass…so there’s that.
As always such a pleasure. And I never said anything about you so thanks for being self centered.
More favorite things about this debate:
When someone makes a post and then a few posts later says, “I never said that.” And sometimes even says they said something else but you can scroll down their blog a bit and see where they actually did say that.
Funny stuff man, funny stuff.